A Russian invasion masquerading as a popular uprising. An unexpectedly robust Ukrainian defense. A frozen stalemate with no end in sight.

So what exactly has Moscow learned after more than four years of war in the Donbas?

On this week’s Power Vertical Podcast, we take a look at how Russian military thinkers view the war and what that means for the future. Joining me are Krisztian Jojart, the Andrassy National Security Fellow at CEPA, an external fellow at the Budapest-based Center for Strategic and Defense Studies, and author of the forthcoming report Lessons From Ukraine: Implications for Russian Military Thinking; and veteran Kremlin-watcher and former U.S. State Department official Donald N. Jensen, a senior fellow at CEPA and a lecturer at Johns Hopkins University.